Greenspider's biography, written by Harlequinn
Message of Greenspider's death
Mails from Greenspider to thecrowfans eGroup
Mail exchanged between Greenspider and Ramona
The very first mail from a guy, who knew Greenie very
well:
My name is Harlequinn. I'm sure that you don't know
me. But you knew my friend. His name was Greenspider.
(Although I knew him by his real name Matt, of course.) His
sister, Heather whom , I am told, is trying to get ahold of a
few people of a former or still existing list of Crow fans (a
sort of chat group who keep in touch via the e-mail). She
hopes to put together a sort of book that was lost in
production. She said the book was a project Matt was
piecing together with the "Crows". Matt told me about it
and that is how he said it. Then usually he'd start talking
about Ramona (you) and Daribus and how wonderful they
have been and how they were the only ones who made
any artwork and he wasn't sure if any one was going to go
through with giving any material to the book.
Unfornunately, I heard this just before he passed away.
It was the last time I saw him alive.
To make this a little more short, I'm hoping to help his
sister put this thing together. Whatever it is. Heather said
you may have ideas Matt might shared with you. He was
always notorious for keeping ideas in his head until it was
time to lay them out. The good thing was that he didn't
waste very much time doing just that. Please keep in
touch.
--- Harlequin ---
Of course I replied and got this biography of Greenie in
return.
It was sucking all the blood from my head, because
(though I was thinking of him as a friend) I never really
knew what an extraordinary human being he was!
Greenspider ( a.k.a. JM Green) Was born in Butler, Pa on
a somewhat chilly day December 7, 1977, under a Gemini
moon. No one knows exactly what time. His Dad is John
Green and his Mom was Becky McGahan. Later, when Matt
was four, they got married. Matt lived in Butler most of his
life, occasionally leaving Butler to visit other places in
America, he never left this country, at least not to my
knowledge.
When he was four he began learning how to read. The
first book that he ever read was JRR Tolkien's There & Back
Again, more popularly known as The Hobbit. Greenspider
was very fond of this book. He often bragged about reading
it. Raised in a Roman Catholic family, he later became a
pagan at age 14, and at this age he began to write poetry.
He did this with almost increbile ease. He loved it.
He began to practice occult and soon became initiated
by me as a Saxon wiccan. Then suddenly, In 1991, our
friend, and his wife, Amber, died in a car accident.
Through out most of his teenage years afterwards he
sent much time learning martial arts and paganism.
When 18 years old, he was a black belt in Ninjutsu,
became a Shodan, I haven't the slightest idea where or
from who he learned it from (sorry), and at 19 he was a
fully-fledged Wiccan. Although he was a Gothic-looking
person at this time, most thought he was in to punk.
Listened to some of that, but not much. And unlike the
stereotype of punks, he was quite intelligent. He had
dropped-out of high school and received a diploma from
the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Of course, he loved
The Crow, was a Brandon Lee fan, though I believe he
liked Bruce better.
He became a very powerful person. He could use mind
tricks to scare a person and easily hurt them. What could
have been possibly high school fights from other students
who didn't like Greenspider were easily casted away. I
don't think he ever threw a punch or anything the entire
time he was a alive. Thankfully, and surprisingly, at 16,
Matt (Greenspider) was a rather calm, fun lover. He fell in
love with a girl named Erica and then had a boy, Damien
Michael Green. He continued to write poetry, life an
almost unimaginable life, was married twice, (the first time
at 13!!) Has a son named Damien (who now lives with
Matt's very last girlfriend, Erica). Scare away any bullies.
Damien was only 2 months old when Matthew passed on.
Soon will be his 1st birthday (February 5th, I think).
And when he was 18, he dropped out of high schol and
formed his own publishing company, "Masquerade
Publications". Originally he named it after Gandalf, his
favorite character of The Hobbit, calling it "Mithrandir", but
later changed it to Masquerade for some reason. He died
riding in a car north bound on I-79 at two in the morning.
He was 21. A father to a new born. And soon to be
husband. I kept in contact with him after I disbanded the
coven. He was very full of life. A man with very deep
thought, he always said he could not figure out the human
race. Almost prophet-like, a week before he died he told
me that the best way to figure out mankind is not to bother
worrying about what they're doing. Only to see what they
are happy for. No one knows what was Matt's last thoughts
or words. We can only assume. That is how Matt was,
unpredictable.
He died with his books undone, son young, unmarried
and with all of us missing him very much.
----- Harlequin ----
You see what I mean? Why have to die the best people at
first in this world ??????
Greenspider's brother explains Greenspider's death in
early May 1999:
From Andrew Green:
HI
I'm not Greenspider. I'm Matt's brother Andy. I don't know how
to tell you this but last week my brother Matt died in a car
accident on I-19.
He was coming home from a mall. I at first just wanted to
shut his e-mail off. But due to the fact he was on this chat group
and had one of his own, I felt I should tell you this. He was 21yrs.
old. And I'm sure he was happy to write to this list, he talked
about it often. I'm sorry to be the one who broke the news, I plan
to keep this account running for about a week and then shut it
off. Sorry for interupting anything important.
Sincerely yours,
Andrew Green
I just wanted to say thank you for the letters and the wonderful
poem that one of you wrote. I wasn't aware that Matt was that
much of a friend to you all. Some people wrote that they didn't
know him to well. All I can say really is he was somebody that
no one else will ever be again.
As for what knid of a person he was, all I can say is that he
always considered himself a poet first, then as a wiccan, then as
a person. But I don't think he ever put one in front of the other. He
was born here in Butler December 08, 1977. Named after our
Dad. Mom taught him how to read when he was 4. He began to
read JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit around the time I was born ('82).
In high school, he took literature courses and excelled in them,
but his punk and then later goth appearance had him constantly
battling wits with teachers and princpals. Basically, he got
sick of adult crap and dropped-out of 12th grade. Later, he
received a commonwealth diploma. He wanted to go to college
this year. He read a large amount of philosophy and listened to
and wrote music. Played guitar and keyboards, even a little of
drums. He greatly desired to live in the Carribean, he talked
about Jamicia the most. He passed away on April 24, 1999,
around 2:00 in the morning. He was married and divorced last
year, but he never had any kids.
A person from this list mentioned something about a Crowtry
book Matt was making or writing or something. I don't know
much about it, but our sister might. She was Matt's help with
many of his poetry projects. Matt was always writing poetry from
the age of 13 until the very night of his death. I'll try and help as
best as possible with this and I'm thankful of your interest in his
work. I don't know if he shared his views or poems with you, but
I'm glad that he is still alive in your hearts.
Thank you again and God bless you all.
Andrew Green
Mails from Greenspider to thecrowfans eGroup list.
Here you can see how he was, and what he thought:
End of January 1999
Subject: Re: Is the crow your daddy?
From: J.M. Green
ar_8-@hotmail.com writes:
>3 signs in knowing if the crow is your daddy.
>1. Do you send a message to the crow fans everyday?
Damn near everyday, yes.
>2. Is your life so boring that the only thing that you have to talk
about is a man with white makeup on and black lipstick?
I wish it was boring! I'm probably the only person
alive in this town. And prefer to chat about what's BEHIND
the make-up and lipstick.
>3. Do stories about dead guys coming back to life facinate you?
The rebirth aspect of most fiction novels amaze me,
yes. The close relation to religous theories on
reincarnation as always been an interesting topic on my
mind. Hey, I got think about something in my spare time;
what little I have of it.
>If you answered YES to one or more of these questions,
Which I did.
>the crow is probably your DADDY.
My Dad isn't dead. In fact, since my separation with
my ex-wife, him and I have been getting along even
better. But last time I checked, he wasn't a bird.
>The solution to this problem is simple.
A quote from miramax films-" Il Postino" - " No, no! I
want to remain sick!"
>Get a life.
Got one, Adam. (And most people on this list have too
much of one.) Thanks for your concern though. In fact, I
imagine it's you who needs one 'cause all it seems you do
is just write annoying little posts like this one, so I'm
compelled to reply in annoying ways such as this.
And besides, your on this list too, so what kind of a
life do you have? But I had fun with your posts, so thanks
for writing in and not just sitting there doing nothing. But
speaking of a life, I have to get going.
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
Subject: The sadness of humanity.- by J.M.Green
From: J.M. Green
Rich,
My friend, the list is in utter chaos. Every one is
flinging mud at each other. I read nearly 200 messages,
and maybe 15 were of Crow related things. And worse still,
fed up with the immaturity, our dear friend, Corvus (well
known on the list for his impeckable web-site) has signed
off. It's a bitter mess. While people like Daribus, Eric
Draven, and myself are trying to discuss Crow issues of
damn near any sort, these kids keep writing in their
senseless insults. I was out these past couple of days and
this is where it went to? From what I gather (between the
insults) is that Jeanette has recently put out a novelization.
Daribus has started a new chat room for Mark D. fans. And
Eric has up-dated his crowpage. Now don't quote me on all
of this cause I was trying to read from message to
message. And over half of these messages are just smudge
marks of people getting pissed off at each other. I really
don't know where it all came from, but there's religion
being thrown about. And I think something about
evulotion, probably tied in the religous crap somewhere.
Oh, and we had another, " if your in the crow too much,
then you should get a life" thing again. From what I gather,
Adam Rodriguez started that topic. Cassidy Courier is upset
about something. And amongst all this, I think a few new
people are on the list. Other than that I'm starting a poetry
zine on line. An E-mail zine. Pretty cool, huh? I don't know
if any one else ever thought of it, but I thought it would be
cool.
I don't know what I am doing to do as far as this list
goes. It seems to me that The Armageddon is here. And
sadly, we're the only ones who can stop it. But we're too
busy with our own egos to do anything about it. (I say we
'cause I am at fault here too.) The thing which strikes me is
that they all have this thing in common. And I'm not talking
about The Crow. I'm mean they're all human. They all have
hair, eyes, skin. But the thing that binds them together is
the one still photograph-like moment in their lives that
touched them so deeply that it will never change in their
eyes. Whether it was sad or happy, it's complete. It was so
graphic, it's complete. And they all have it. Everyone of
them. When I came on this list, all I was expecting was
some shit about comics to be sent to me. : ) But I never
expected to meet all of these people. And yet, like me,
they all have a time in their life where they felt emotions
deeper than the ocean. And they'll never forget it. I know
I'll never forget them. Even though I never saw their faces.
Cause it the deep impact upon their lives that they shared
with me by discussing a story. I am proud to consider any
of them my friends. I just wonder if they feel the same?
I hope you have some in-sight outside of the group,
my friend. If you want to reply to them, you can. I sent this
letter along to the list, too. So if you want to send you
input, go for it. But it reminds me more of the 12 angry men
from hell. And above all the shouting I doubt they'll
hear you.
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:52:43 PST "justin kohli"
justinkohl-@hotmail.com
writes:
>hey all since you are all friends of mine, i have some advice and
it will benefit you all, if you accept it
Someone can benefit from anything.
>i suggest that all of you come to faith in God i understand you
all have your different views and might disagree with me, but if
you don't believe cuz there's no proof, well here:
This may not make sense, but I am a Pagan. And I
believe that I am in league with God.
>1. How can you explain our conscience?
How does one's conscience relate to faith in God?
>2. Jesus predicted people claiming to be him.... look at David
Koresh
Actually, you would be more wise to point your finger
at Charles Manson. Koresh never said he was God - in
Fact, I have press coverage of him openly stating to the FBI
negotiator - " Their not MY people, their GOD'S people. I
only read them God's words from a book." ( the bible)
Manson on ther hand openly told the judge at his trial -" I
am devil and the god to whom you pray."
>3. Look at yourself... how amazing.... surely a God had created
us
I, as a person, am a product of what I have
experienced in my life. I, as a living being, was produced
and engineered by God. Read. - " God grant me the
serenity to accept the things I can not change, the courage
to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the
difference." But I do find that God ( it ) created the now
known form of Human Beings. "Jesus was an architect
prior to his career as a prophet."- Ministry-Jesus
built my hot rod
>4. His word (the bible) has still survived, as said, and it always
will
This is a subject I often debate about even with
career-going priest. The Bible was NOT written by God. It
was written by men who were inspired by God. Or even
touched by God. Perhaps even chosen by God.
>I just want all of you to belive in God cause you can benefit from
it
" For he who believes in the lord , shall enter the
kingdom of heaven."
>You may think, why should i believe in God, he kills people,
lets people get sick, die, etc.
" For every action there is an equal and opposite
re-action." - Newton's 3rd law of gravity.
>well, it's all for a reason... it can be a punishment for their sins.
We as Pagans:
" An ye harco ( curse) none, do as ye will.
And ever mind the Rule of three:
What ye send out, comes back to thee."
- The Wiccan Rede
>God does love everyone, no matter who they are of course, no
one can be perfect...
With this phrase I can only state an opinion of mine
based on what only 21 years of experience can provide me
with. When we were born, God knew the game was going
to be played at advanced level and we would only have
novice experience at how to play. The game being life.
The experience being the knowledge of what to do.
>I believe in God and I admit there are some sins I cannot let go
but believeing in him will lead you all to Heaven the GREATEST
place ever... no sin, hurt, pain, etc. just love for eachother and
God
Do you, justin, believe in the possiblity of
armageddon?
>face it, would you wanna be in pain and suffering for all eternity
(hell)?
Do you believe that there is a hell?
>Probably not. Just thought I'd let you all know that I care for you
and wish you the best...
Thank you, justin, for your deep insight and the
concern of our insight.
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
31Jan1999
Hello my friendly murder of Crows,
I wanted to post that I started an E-mail 'zine called
Greenweb. ( Gee I wonder where that name came from? )
It totally free (unless you don't have a computer. Then you
have to spend money on one to get E-mail.) To get it, all
you do is write to me stating you want to subscribe. I run it
right out of here. The first issue is in a couple of days.
Write to me for info on how to submit. I love these extra
things to keep me busy. So subscribe today!
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
Amy writes:
>Actually, I think it goes like this: That was a quote or idea
Brandon got from "The Sheltering Sky" by Paul Bowles. In the
interview, he took this idea and just put it into his own words,
that's all.
Precisely. It's not like it hasn't been done before. And
Brandon had to have been inspired by some one just like
we were inspired by him. And for those of you who have
been pissed by the whole scenerio, look at us. Using quote
from the film as signature quotes. I use Shakespeare.
(mostly due to the fact that all the Crow ones were taken.
:-)) It's not a bad thing. It just happens.
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
Mail exchanged during Jan. 1999 between Greenie and
me!
Here you can see how he was, who he was:
Mail exchange
By Greenspider and Ramona
greenspider@juno.com (J.M. Green:
Greetings Miss Deninger,
Don't fear the shipping charge. And if you would like, I
might be able to send you a crowtry-book-copy translated
in German exclusively for you.
Is that okay with you? Thank you for your interests and
time.
to Chat or not to Chat,
greenspider@juno.com (J.M. Green)
Ramona,
It is very easy to remember your name. I happen to be a
fan of the Ramones.
German, I'm afraid, is a language I'm not famaliar with.
However, a friend of mine volunteered to translate it for
you so I could make a german copy. But I guess than you
could be more original over if you had a book published in
America, eh? Take care, my dear.
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
greenspider@juno.com (J.M. Green)
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:28:20 +0100 (MET)
crowwings@gmx.net writes:
Hi J.M.
>yeah, the Ramones, I am not really into them, I really like Nine
Inch Nails and all the heavy industrial-stuff.
Yeah. I'm mostly in industrial too. Every now and again I
thrist for something different. My favorite band though is
The Cure.
>Okay, but I want to tell you, that I finished my little website with
my paintings on it. Check them out on:
www.muenster.de/~crowwing
I' ll keep this website in mind, but I should warn you. I
don't have internet access. I have only a private E-mail
through Juno.
>I am not sure, if you got some of my paintings from daribus, but
now they are full downloadable.
Daribus sent'em. Got'em. Seen'em. Like'em! Printing'em.
>Wish you luck with the Crowtry-book, are you a kind of an
editor or publisher or what?
I run a small Publishing Company called Masquerade
Publications. I'm also an editor for a local magazine called
" Liberzine" . I'm a poet and an artist of sorts.
>And, I want to open a newsgroup for crow-fanart on the
crowtvseries-page. May I publish your email-addie there, so they
can mail you to add some more poems or short-stories?
The poetry book is exclusively for us. ( I.E. the people on
the list. ) Anyone who wants a copy would have to pay
$2.00 in american dollars. That way the extra copies can
be printed up. And I'm not trying to go dumb on you, but
what's an E-mail addie?
(not the 'Ramones'). WE WANT THE AIRWAVES!! : )
to Chat or not to Chat,
Greenspider
greenspider@juno.com (J.M. Green)
Ramona Deininger
>Yeah, well, you know, the Cure aren't really industrial, they are
goth,
There's a difference industrial and goth? How do you find
this? The Cure are more dance pop nowadays anyhow. But
I do remember the "Pornography" days sort of well. I was
on alot of smack back then.
>And what does: (not the 'Ramones'). WE WANT THE
AIRWAVES!! : ) mean?
This is a title to one of the Ramone's songs. Sorry if that
confused you.
>With email-addie, I meant your email-address:
greenspider@juno.com (An US-friend of mine called it so, is that
wrong?)
Nope. You friend was right. That was a nickname that I
never heard of. My roommate just now told me about it. I
think it's a cool word.
From Ramona:
Hi Greenspider!
I thought about your comment, that the earlier Cure-songs were
less danceable, or less dance-pop.
No, I don't agree. I remember pretty well the great
chart-no.1-hits of The Cure. ('Boys Don't Cry' or 'Lovecats'). That
was in the 80th.
And I still love these older songs. (Have the 'KISS, KISS, KISS'
and a sampler 'Best of ??? - 1986'). - And I still like them,
because they remind me of my teenage!
Now, in the 90th, The Cure sounds (sorry) everytime the same.
No experimentals, only the same, and very slow too.
(I call the 'WISH'-album my own, and I don't really like it, it is
boring, - I never bought newer albums, this one was enough!).
Okay, one word on the industrial and goth/wave/new wave stuff
again:
Industrial has its name because of the use of machine noice in
the songs.
And The Cure (for example) don't try to get a very NEW sound,
they use keyboards and syntheziser too, but to get a natural
sound of strings, pianos etc...
That's a important difference too.
Bye, Mr. Green!
Ramona,
If it's the industrial cure your trying to point out, Allow me
to recommend this album. The Cure- " Pornography" I
believe it came out in 1984 or 82, just before the group
dispersed and Robert Smith joined Sioxsie and the
Banshees. If you never heard anything from them, listen to
"Pornography".
Their element is similar to that one. As far as your
concept about The Cure, take in consideration the time era
in which the Cure has been in. The late 70's punk, the early
80's Goth (which didn't last long) and the late 80's dance
then the 90's alternative. When the times change, people
often do too. Hence the many sounds of the Cure. I would
also try listening to "Wild Mood Swings". It's more 90's then
"Wish", of course, but they maintain their 6-string bass
sound. Changing with times without losing their touch. I
would also listen to these ones:
Three imaginary boys (the album)
Hyaena (Siouxsie and the Banshees)
Mixed-up (the Cure)
"The Hanging Garden" single
Galore (particularly "Wrong Number")
Well, that's basically an album per era. I strongly urge you
to listen to these ones. They're certainly worth the
listening.
You wrote:
>Industrial has its name because of the use of machine noise in
the songs. And The Cure (for example) don't try to get a very
NEW sound, they use keyboards and syntheziser too, but to get
a natural sound of strings, pianos etc... That's a important
difference too.
Yes, correct. Hence, the gothic sound to it. Especially
songs like " a hundred years" and "Pornography" . In fact
in the song Pornography, note the distorted television
noise in the background. An element found in industrial
music. Type O'Negative never use any machine sounds, yet
they can be considered industrial cause they use
state-of-the-art instruments to record, and to perform.
Another thing a lot of people never take in mind and
musicians and songwriters do is this: Just because a band
or piece of music doesn't have all the key ingredients does
not mean it can't fit in that category of music. Often, a song
is made from the meshing of two different styles of music
into one. A particular example would be Led Zeppelin.
They mostly meshed classical and blues to make their
rhythms and melodies. Thus, we hear the songs like "Black
dog" and " Stairway to heaven" . (By the way, the guitarist
for the Cure is an avid Led Zeppelin fan.)
Another and more recent example would be Danzig.
Glenn Danzig meshes punk-goth (classical Goth) -
bluegrass together to make the sound which can be found
in alternative and heavy metal dept of stores any where,
although I consider them part of my gothic diet.
You wrote:
>wave/new wave stuff again:
By this, I assume your speaking of techno or electronicka.
I'm not that all well versed in these, my hunch would be
something like Prodigy or Fatboy Slim. Maybe even Kranz,
or Das Ich. Although I feel Das Ich is more in the industrial
side. ( Either way I like them.) KMFDM might be under this
style.
You wrote:
>No experimentals, only the same, and very slow too.
That's because experimental stuff doesn't usually make it
out to the
market. Very few people sell their side-projects or
experiments due to
the fact that it sounds some what different from their main
sound. No one
for sure knows how their fans are going to take it. The
good old fear of
the unknown. Mostly, I only heard of the projects and
experiments of :
Download- ( from Skinny puppy)
Tapeworm- ( from Nine Inch Nails)
Soulfly- ( from Sepultura )
There is one more that somebody from Skinny Puppy was
working on, but I
can't think of it right now. After Skinny Puppy broke-up,
Ritalin was
started by Nivek Ogre and Martin Atkins who is affiliated
with Nine Inch
Nails, Type O'Negative, Christian Death, Switchblade
Symphony, Pigface,
Marilyn Manson, the list could go on...
Any ways, the experimental stuff never makes record due
to it's unstable
format while still in the studio. To be rather blunt with the
truth.
You wrote:
>I thought about your comment, that the earlier
Cure-songs were less
danceable, or less dance-pop.
I don't recall making a general statement such as that. (
which isn't in
my norm to do.) If I did make a comment such as that, I
seriously doubt I
was thinking. the Cure's earlier stuff, such as " 3 imaginary
boys, Boys
don't cry " was intended to be a punk sound. Although
then punks did more
dancing then they did moshing. ( This is late 70's we're
talking here.)
As time progress, however, the Cure found themselves
going more towards
the goth sound with their album " Pornography" . Then the
band dispersed,
a classic case of " I'm sick of he's shit" syndrome. After a
while
though, they reunited as the Cure again, and started to
play their dance
style again, but with less punk and a lot more synthesizer.
Hence, the
more industrial edge as compared to their earlier punk
edge.
You wrote:
>(Have the 'KISS, KISS, KISS' and a
>sampler 'Best of ??? - 1986'). - And I still like them,
because they
remind me
>of my teenage!
>Now, in the 90th, The Cure sounds (sorry) everytime the
same.
Nearly yes, the Cure didn't do much to change their style
from Kiss Me,
kiss me, kiss me to wish.
Although I think that there was much more element
change in wish than
anything before that. It was guitar focused and more
melody was
displayed. Like in " Trust" and " The edge of the deep
green sea" and an
almost unique blend of syn., electric and acoustic guitar in
" doing the
unstuck. "
" Look for the ridiculous in everything!!!"
to Chat or not
to Chat,
Greenspider
"J.M. Green" <greenspider@juno.com>:
Ramona,
Once again the you wrote, I wrote trick. I send my letters
out like this
often so I can answer questions better and to answer as
much as I can so
please bare with me on this. The stuff that as this > is the
things you
wrote. Thank goodness for Cut and Paste!
>I have alot
>more to say, but my shitty English ...
Actually, your english is not all that bad. Your pretty good
at it.
>I would be able to write such an essay about Nine Inch
Nails too,
You and me both. The only thing is I don't know german
very well.
>Truely I don't know such details of their (THE CURE)
music or
band-history, because it wasn't important to me.
The only reason it's important to me is because the Cure is
my favorite
band. NIN is my second. But to be quite honest, I know
maybe a 3rd of
what there is to know. I know mostly the general history of
the band
itself.
>I know, for a lot of goth-poeple The Cure is something
like a holy goal.
It might be that way in Europe, but they don't have that
much weight
with American goths. If it's the bulk of their listening your
refering
to, then it's probably the band called The Sisters of Mercy.
Alot of
bands nowadays fashion their sound after them.
>It was no accident, that the Cure's performation on the
ZILLO-festival
got
the most run.
No kidding. That's cool!
>For me it isn't, but I respect their work, nearly over 20
years now. Of
course this deserves RESPECT!
You could not have said it in a better way.
>I promise to listen to some of your song-tips (but right
now I am quite
>busy).
>And I know the 'the hanging garden' song - of course, it
inspired James
>O'Barr to The Crow too.
>But I don't know the single (I think, on it are some more
remixes,
>right?).
I think your refering to meshing styles to perfect your own,
right?
Well, just don't forget to use ones your like. You never
know, you might
just invent the next level of music entertainment. The
lycrics to the
hanging garden are printed in the Crow book. The single.
I think your
asking about Mixed-up. That's all that on it is remixes. It's
a good one
though.
>And I have to say, the 'About the edge of the deep green
see' is my only
>favorite on the WISH-album, - although it is great music
to listen as
>background-music, you know.
Yeah, definitely. The song I like the most on that album is
" open"
although deep green sea is just as important to me. It's the
song trust I
don't like. Personal reasons behind that though.
>You are talking about DANZIG. I don't know lot of his
earlier work (what
I
>know is not my taste ...), but I REALLY LOVE the one year
old '5
>blackacidevil', you know.
I'm listening to 4p right now. Talk about your history,
Glenn Danzig has
been in 3 bands. the MISFITS, Samhayne, Danzig. I think
he has a few side
projects too, but I'm not sure. I haven't bought 5 yet. but
plan to.
>And I know, Nine Inch Nails is mainstream in USA,
Very mainstream. Nine Inch Nails is heard of by almost
every american
under the age of 30. They have actually been out since
1986. If you can
find a copy of " Pretty hate machine". It's a rather decent
album. But I
warn you, it's pretty different from the Downward Spiral.
>after him (Trent Reznor) came alot more artists doing
such things
>with their computers, but not REALLY before him, you
know?
That's true to an extent. Before him I can only think of
Skinny Puppy
and KMFDM. Skinny Puppy was using computers not only
in the studio, but
on stage as well. Well, over half of KMFDM's sound is
nothing but
computerized sound. ( You'd love them. They're totally
industrial. There
is no other way to look at it.) But the thing is that Trent
revoltionized
the music world by showing them what could be done
with computers in a
studio. Hence, the downward Spiral, and even the album
before that called
" broken". Thanks to his efforts, bands like Gravity Kills,
Pigface,
Marilyn Manson and Stabbing Westward came in the
scene and other bands
like Type O'Negative, and Skinny Puppy were brought
more in focus. In my
opinion, they were giants before their time. One step
ahead of those
around them.
>One of it is 'Breath' of Prodigy for example (don't like
other
>Prodigy-songs, too monoton, - but this only one is VERY
SPECIAL!!!)
I have an interest in Prodigy cause of the technology they
use to write
their stuff. But at times I feel they overkill with the sound
they use
and lose the artistical side of music when they could have
saved it.
"Fuel my fire" is a perfect example of what I'm talking
about. You can
have all the funny digital sounds you want in a song, but if
it doesn't
make any sense, then it is still gonna sound like shit. The
reason I
think Breath is cool is cause it's got all the machine
noises, yet it's
all done in a simple but yet good rhthyme. I think it's
probably the best
track on Fat of the Land CD too.
>Ah, have a question: what is 'MOSHING' - didn't find it in
the
dictionary.
And you never will find it in a dictionary. Your lucky you
asked an
american. Moshing is a style of dancing originally found in
the american
punk scene. It is also called Slam Dancing. I think it might
actually
come from England or so I'm told. It's a fast-paced dance
when people
form a circle and start moving around in a circle. It usually
involves
pushing in to each other. Rather violent. It's a big thing in
the Heavy
Meatl scene over here. If you want I can always go more
in detail later.
Well, I think your english is better than you give yourself
credit for.
At least you know the word shit. Believe it or not, our
education systems
suck so bad there are people who finish high school and
don't even know
how to read their own name in english. Much less learn a
different
language. So consider yourself a step up there in the
world. Me? I know a
little Italian and Japanese. My brother can speak Latin
and write too.
Him and I are trying to learn German in our spare time. I
dropped out of
high school in 1997, and I'm learning more now than when
I was at school.
Sad, don't you think?
to Chat or not
to Chat,
Greenspider
From Ramona:
Okay, Greenie, now my reply!
Lucky guy, - you are able to reply with this smart system of
quote-signs, I am not, - my mail-server is different.
Of course I can choose copy and paste, but is not the same,
I have to do much more hand-work too.
So the traditional way of writing letters (I am pretty well on
it IN GERMAN ... some of my letters were published, you
know ...).
My English-knowledge: I am not really used to think of it as
a 'well' English, cuz I nearly failed every class in school
(and we had 10 (!!!!!) years English classes). But I hated my
English-teachers. And that's the most worse way to learn it
well!
But there are the Crow-novels, there are the original
movies (the Crow), there are the comics (in English too)
and there are all the English web-sites of the Crow and NIN
...
Guess, where I learned to understand English, - not at
school !!! - ah, I think I owe the Crow pretty much!!!
And what you say about the bad US-education-system and
some high-school pupil don't even know how to write their
name, - yes, I know that.
Europe is far away, but USA is part of the news, of course.
I think, it is a great country, if you like canyons and
landscape without any people for the next 200 miles, but I
am not sure, if it is a great place to live.
(Germany isn't too, that's not, what I want to say.) There is
alot going wrong in USA. And I feel sad, when I think about
the public there, main parts of them think of the USA as the
ruler of the world.
It isn't. It has alot power, but if the whole world would be
American (would live the American way of life), you can
bet for sure, that the world would be going to the
apocalypse very fast ...
Sisters of Mercy are holy goals in Europe goth-scene too,
and (besides The Cure) DEPECHE MODE too.
If you are confused now, let me tell you, that THEY
(Depeche Mode) are holy for the whole EBM-scene (you
know, what EBM is?), that's nearly the same as industrial.
And if you list group-names, who did computer stuff before
the NIN-boom, you should list them (DM) too.
And they really deserve the SAME RESPECT as the Cure,
cuz they are as long at this business too.
What you told me about NIN: Thank you, but it was useless.
I have all CDs, all halos, all remixes, some special editions
and some live-stuff too.
(Guess I call 20 NIN-CDs my own) and Pretty Hate Machine
and BROKEN are part of them too, - of course!!!)
I only miss all the videos. Some are on the index, you
know, for example the BROKEN-video, it is a very violent
one about a serial-murderer, who kills a young guy 25 min
long (to the music of NIN's Broken of course, - for example
FIST FUCK !!!), - and this is showed in all details! It is
forbitten to own this one ... even in the USA !!!!
I bought a NIN-biography a few month ago (ordered it on
the amazon-store). And as soon as I read it, I was really
disappointed!
The guy (Martin Huxley), who wrote it, didn't know much
more than I do. I searched the whole internet to get some
information, I found alot, much more than mentioned in
the biography, - you know. I think, I am able to wrote such
a book, but double-sized ...!!!
But the Marilyn Manson-autobio is much more funny to
read. He is the worst looking guy, I ever saw, - but he told
stories of getting every chicken, he ever wanted ... a great
fantasy, - and very funny, but not really usefull, if you are
searching for the truth ...
I know (and like) KMFDM (they are German), I know a little
bit of Skinny Puppy, - But I really like Die Krupps, or
Oomph, or Waltari, or KORN, or Marilyn Manson (not the
last album, it is shitty!)
If you really LOVE the earlier DANZIG-albums, you
shouldn't buy the 5th too, cuz it is VERY, VERY different to
all he did before. It is a totally crazy album, you know.
'Moshing' sounds like the same stuff, that we call
POGO-dancing, or diving or head-banging. Not really in
circules, but very violent too.
Ah, have a question: can you please tell me the full
run-time of the Crow2-COA-movie (in minutes)?
I think about buying the US-original, but first I have to
know, if it is longer than the German version!!!
If not, then it isn't worth to buy it. I hate, that they (don't
really know, who 'THEY' is) cut away so many scenes,
scenes I really would LOVE to watch !!! BULLSHIT!
(ah, you see, I know much more inflate words in English,
like F***, Motherf*****, suck my d*** (still I don't have one).
And the Prodigy-song-writing-technology isn't very different
from what NIN does:
one man sitting in front of a computer and mixing some
stuff, (and the man is GERMAN too, great potential here in
this little country, isn't it?).
some band-members perform the stuff on stage, but truth
is: it is done by only one MAN!
The tools are pretty easy to achieve (I have professional
software on my computer too).
But to mix them in a functional way, that's difficult (if you
don't want to get a techno-sound, monoton and boring,
endless loopings ...).
I think I can say, I am good in using the tools, - and know
pretty much about all the computer-music-stuff like: MIDI,
Sys-exe, MP3, multitracking, filtering, looping, wavetable,
LFO, FM-synth, analog-synth ... the list is endless.
But I think, I am not good in mixing them listenable. And-
of course - my little computer is much too old and too slow
for better and faster stuff (have no money right now). And it
crashes down every 15 min, when I try to compose
something. - Could be because of my 4 soundcards, or the
two harddiscs or the extern synth ... don't know for sure!!!!
I guess, you get it now: I am really addiced to my
computer, and the music-stuff and I like using it in a
creative way.
And I LOVE real LOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW basses. Have
a high qualitiy stereo linked to my computer (to mix music
of course). I always get an orgasm, when I listen to a really
looooooowwwwwwww bass, that makes your bones dance
and your stomach turn over!!!!!!!!!!!!
You didn't aswer my question, if you know the
SPAWN-soundtrack and what you think about it. If you
have it: well, there are this fucking basses, I feel high of !!!!
Ah, you say, you are learning German in your spare time.
Okay, here I am! Tell me something, and I tell you, if you
did it right or wrong. I am teaching a Canadian boy in
German too, he is so nice and is sending me the score of
COA right now, - it isn't avaiable here in Germany! (He is a
member of the egroup too!).
Okay, Greenie, that's enough now.
Have a nice life, pal!
Ramona sends her regards!
He never really replied to that mail, cause he was so busy
with the
Crowtry and such ... after a while I was sending him little
messages like:
"Are you still alive?" cause he was so quiet on the
egroup-list, that he called his Greenweb!
Then he usually replied with one sentence like: "yeah, I
am still here! How are you? I have heard, you left the
egroup? That would be such a shame !!! I hope we keep in
touch, cause you are too interesting to loose contact with
..."
I answered, that I was very busy lately myself. And that I
am still on the egroup-maillist.
This was one of the very last mails I got from him.
After a while I had this feeling, and I was going to send
one of the "Are you still alive?"-mails again.
But then I had to read Andrew's (Greenie's brother) mail to
the list ... he explained Greenie's death and it was like a
SCHOCK for me ... after that, I renamed a painting, I had
just finished, after Greenspider ... |
